Author | Discussion | David Hype
1152 posts
89 months | Friday 18th December 2009 
charlie999 said:
Hi
In need for some info...please help. I am due to be getting married next year and desperate to hire a GT3 (2hours) as my partner is in love with the car!!!! I have searched all over the internet with no luck. Can anyone help? Many thanks For the GT3 try... www.dreamsinreality.co.uk
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charlie999
2 posts
9 months | Friday 18th December 2009
Thanks David 
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Batteryboy
208 posts
31 months | Tuesday 29th December 2009
Maybe it is just me, but looking around for a 997 tip at present in the 40-45K range, it seems there are not that many around, and some have been for sale since October. I know this is not exactly the busy season, but there seems to be very few well specced cars around at present.
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bcnrml
1907 posts
47 months | Monday 11th January
Porsche North America December 2009 sales down 2% to 2,118 units, compared with December 2008.For the year 2009, they sold 19,696 new cars in the U.S., down 24 percent from 2008 (itself a decline on the 2007 peak). December 2009 saw Panamera sales reach 521 units, with declines for every other product group. Boxster/Caymans down by nearly half, 911s down by circa 15%, and Cayennes down by approaching 20%. On the preceding month, Panamera sales are up about 160 units, and I reckon it will continue to cannibalise 911 and Cayenne sales for 2010. Data and table here: Permalink: http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/201001050065...
Porsche GB December 2009 new car sales up 93% to 360 units compared with December 2008.For the year 2009, total unit sales were 5,280, representing a fall of 11% on 2008 (itself a year of decline on 2007 IIRC). It seems some porker buyers are as willing to save money on VAT as on the scrappage scheme (yup, some of those cars were bought under the scheme!). For 2009, the best performing quality marque was Mercedes (with a market beating decline of only -3%). The winners? Hyundai, Kia and Alfa Romeo. We've truly sent 80-90% of our subsidised car purchase money abroad. No wonder those economies started growing again before ours. I shall report on Q1 2010, and then will likely stop these bulletins if stability has returned.
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Try5t
479 posts
45 months | Monday 11th January
bcnrml said:
Porsche North America December 2009 sales down 2% to 2,118 units, compared with December 2008.For the year 2009, they sold 19,696 new cars in the U.S., down 24 percent from 2008 (itself a decline on the 2007 peak). December 2009 saw Panamera sales reach 521 units, with declines for every other product group. Boxster/Caymans down by nearly half, 911s down by circa 15%, and Cayennes down by approaching 20%. On the preceding month, Panamera sales are up about 160 units, and I reckon it will continue to cannibalise 911 and Cayenne sales for 2010. Data and table here: Permalink: http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/201001050065...
Porsche GB December 2009 new car sales up 93% to 360 units compared with December 2008.For the year 2009, total unit sales were 5,280, representing a fall of 11% on 2008 (itself a year of decline on 2007 IIRC). It seems some porker buyers are as willing to save money on VAT as on the scrappage scheme (yup, some of those cars were bought under the scheme!). For 2009, the best performing quality marque was Mercedes (with a market beating decline of only -3%). The winners? Hyundai, Kia and Alfa Romeo. We've truly sent 80-90% of our subsidised car purchase money abroad. No wonder those economies started growing again before ours. I shall report on Q1 2010, and then will likely stop these bulletins if stability has returned. I think 2010 is going to be the real "2009" in terms of where we are going - the stimulus packages are at an end and in my view, all they have done is brought forward demand from the future. I think an 11% decline year on year is not at all surprising; and a contradiction of the spin put out by the media that things are back on the up.
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bcnrml
1907 posts
47 months | Monday 11th January
Try5t said:
I think 2010 is going to be the real "2009" in terms of where we are going - the stimulus packages are at an end and in my view, all they have done is brought forward demand from the future. I think an 11% decline year on year is not at all surprising; and a contradiction of the spin put out by the media that things are back on the up. 
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cbrannan
99 posts
20 months | Tuesday 2nd February
anyone fancy resurecting this topic......?
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ATM
1843 posts
56 months | Tuesday 2nd February
No thanks
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cbrannan
99 posts
20 months | Monday 8th February
personally I bought my 911 to enjoy, not to loose sleep over how much it loses whilst I'm doing so? I have to wonder how many of us on here have a 911 anyway?
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mikegreene1958
4 posts
33 months | Monday 8th February
OK Guys ( and Girls i assume) I need somne advice. Last Porsche I owned was in 1992 ( 944 Coupe Auto 2.7) so effectively I'm a Porsche virgin. I bought a Honda S2000 last summer( loved it but hard work in London), traded it in a moment of madness for an immac SLK 320 AMG which is just not me. I'm now looking at A) 993 Targa Tip, B) Cayman S Tip, C) 997 3.6 tip. I have other cars so it will do 5K miles pa. Question is if i go sensible(B or C) is the 997 that much of a lesser car than the C2S 3.8 that i'd be better off with a Cayman? I can buy a good Cayman (06) for £26/28k ish and a 997 (04/5) for £30/32k ish- so not a massive difference. Your comments/advice would be very welcome. Regards Mike
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bcnrml
1907 posts
47 months | Tuesday 9th February
Porsche Cars North America January 2010 sales up 8% to 1,768 compared to January 2009. That's the fifth month of sales growth, albeit sometimes weak. Looks promising.... The star of the show was the Panamera. It's doing well enough, showing it was meant for the US and China (see bottom of this post). Panamera's been cannibalising sales, though, of the Cayenne (and maybe 911). Snapshot here, table in URL to follow. Boxster/Cayman down a lot 911 up about 12% Cayenne down a lot. Panamera? 534 units sold in January alone! Source: http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/home/perma...
Porsche Cars UK January 2010 sales up 12.5% to 460 units compared with January 2009. That's a good sign. Let's hope it holds up for Q1 2010. The car market for January was up nearly 30%, and stars for the month were Hyundai and Kia again (285% and 195% respectively). Still, nice to see the VAT rise didn't put off enough punters.
As an aside, Porsche's selling lots in China, including the Panamera, and I think expect to sell 10,000 cars (in total) this year in that market. That's a contrast to Q4 2009 which saw a sales crash globally of circa 40%. They've recently described the UK as a key market, so one hopes conditions will improve in Blighty for those demanding more of porker ownership (especially with the money flowing in from those Panameras). 
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andyoflincoln
12 posts
31 months | Monday 22nd February
Being a sports/performance specialist, for used cars over the last 12 months used car prices have been great, most nearly all going up in value or staying the same which has been great! Early on in the thread a member comments on porsche dropping 600 and lambos 1500 in november, this was the xmas/winter drop which always tends to happen, the market has now firmed up after this period and a good time to buy before the snow goes by april and the market will firm up harder.
As a dealer you can almost throw the books away as its all down to what you can SELL/ASK for a car as internet is now king we price check everything to show value within the market
Becuase NEW cars havent been as busy there are not as many 04-08 cars coming down through the system as new ones have not been replacing them, therefore giving a shortfall in the market, demand outweighing supply and giving us low depreciation!
Used Gen 2s 997s are great news, caymans, new shape 3.6 cayennes, in the uk market.
What you may not know aswell is the big BOOM in Malaysia and far east for exotic cars... Alot of UK cars are being EXPORTED their and the far east namely cayennes, 997 turbos 997 3.8, only tip autos as they DONT DO MANUALS and they only have petrol due to being 30pish a litre, is seeing cars being taken out our market into theres, thus making 04-08 cars even more scarce!
Great for strong used car values, but not great for the buyer to find what they want as theres less choice due to cars vanishing oversees!
Hope thats helped on the used side, or bored you to tears, ;-)
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bcnrml
1907 posts
47 months | Friday 5th March
Porsche North America February 2010 sales slightly up to 1,531 compared with 1,518 in February 2009. For the year to date, sales are up 4% to 3,176 units. - Boxsters/Caymans at the back of the class with only 184 units sold, about a third of the number for Feb 09. - 911s, about 30% down to 339 units. - Cayenne, up to 599 units (a surprise, really!), a rise of nearly 50% on Feb 09 - Panamera saw sales of 409 units. Used cars were up to 530 units compared with 500 in the previous Feb. Not bad, all things considered. Source and table here: http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/home/perma...
Porsche GB new car sales for February 2010 up 14% to 106 units. That compares with market growth of 26% for the month. So not too good, really, especially as VW, BMW and Mercedes all outperformed the total market.
I wonder how many of you are aware of a change to the EU Block Exemption rules which should translate into better savings on new cars from March? Not sure everyone would like to see this publicised, but there you go.
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Ray Luxury-Yacht
2580 posts
53 months | Friday 5th March
bcnrml said:
I wonder how many of you are aware of a change to the EU Block Exemption rules which should translate into better savings on new cars from March? Not sure everyone would like to see this publicised, but there you go. Didn't know about this no, please tell more?
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NJH
908 posts
46 months | Wednesday 10th March
Ray Luxury-Yacht said:
bcnrml said:
I wonder how many of you are aware of a change to the EU Block Exemption rules which should translate into better savings on new cars from March? Not sure everyone would like to see this publicised, but there you go. Didn't know about this no, please tell more? http://europa.eu/rapid/pressReleasesAction.do?refe...Can't see it is going to make much difference to the price of a new car in the short term tbh. Great news though for those of us with older cars when it comes to parts costs, warranties and servicing.
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bcnrml
1907 posts
47 months | Thursday 8th April
NJH, the new regulations should make a difference to new car sales. Broadspeed (IIRC) were heavily discounting new porkers last year (mainly the 987 series), and will be aiming to source new porkers for those willing to take that route. I have a feeling that if you know you can get a new porker from an internet based car retailer, your OPC will be more flexible on discounts.
Porsche North America March 2010 sales up 9% to 1,905 units.
Boxster/Cayman up circa 40%
911 up circa 10%
Cayenne down 57%
Panamera - 542 units (cannibalising 911 sales).
Pre-owned up by circa 40%.
The new Cayenne may also be depressing sales.
Source: Businesswire.com
Porsche UK new car sales in March 2010 flat at 930 units - same as .
The UK market jumped 26%, and the stars were the usual (scrappage scheme) suspects. Not one premium marque beat the market average, but they did do better than Porsche. Stars of the German marques were Audi, VW and Mercedes.
Source: SMMT.
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Clevers
851 posts
38 months | Monday 3rd May
Am I right in thinking that used 911 prices have re-bounded somewhat.
Sorry if I am repeating anything said earlier.
Would be interested in checking views on the value of 996 facelifts.
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bcnrml
1907 posts
47 months | Monday 3rd May
Porsche Cars North America April 2010 sales down 6% compared with April 2009. They sold 1,747 units. Bumping along the bottom, they're struggling in the US to get out of the nadir of 2009 (itself a poor showing on an already weak 2008). The Panamera's doing well, and they sold 678 new cars in April. However, this has been at a significant cost - cannibalisation of the profit drivers in the US market. So: 911 sales are down sharply (minus circa 41%); Cayenne sales are down even more sharply (minus circa 63%); Boxster/Cayman sales up circa 17%. Source: http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/home/perma...Of course a certain apologist will come along and describe the above numbers as entirely my opinion, indeed pure fiction, said numbers bearing no resemblance to Porsche's market performance.
UK numbers will be provided here when the SMMT release them later this week. I think I'll keep this updated for another two quarters to see what effect the UK elections will have on porker sales.
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Tailor_Mike
46 posts
23 months | Thursday 17th June
hi ppl,
just thought i'd ask ppl's opinions on the market for the 2003-2004 Cayenne, ive seen a few on Autotrader in recent weeks for between £11,995-12,995, around 8 examples on there at the minute, a few are high mileage examples, other ones low spec, but didnt think they would get to this price so soon.
With petrol being so pricey, do you think this is affecting the price? Even the ones at £11,995 arent getting bought immediately.
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Ed5995
65 posts
23 months | Sunday 27th June
Gonna move on my 2008 Boxster Edition Sport 2.7 in Carerra White with Ocean Blue hood/leather. PASM, heated seats, 6 speed manual, just 13,000 miles and immaculate. What should I look for it? Truth is I need something more practial and can't think of any other make/model that I really want in the £20-30k band.
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